Let us talk about the Holocaust

Let us talk about the Holocaust

Kazi Mahmood

Fredrick Tobin, who has been jailed on the charges of questioning the holocaust, has said that the holocaust is supported by three claims: the claim that Germany under Hitler’s control systematically killed Jews, the claim of gas chambers, and the claim that 6 million Jews were killed. He said that none of these are true.

In 1945 after Nazi Germany was defeated by the allied forces a trial was ordered to punish the German generals, officers and those known to have cooperated with Nazi Germany and the third Reich of Adolf Hitler. The trial of Nuremberg as it is known in history was also to help the Jewish community get back at the Germans for what is called the “Holocaust”.

Text books tells us that 6 million Jews died as a result of the holocaust and that they all died in concentration camps and after torture, miseries and all kinds of punitive treatments given to them. They were men, women and children said to have been killed by the Germans under Hitler’s rule. There are however many other historians and university professors as well as Germans themselves and at times Jews who find it important to question the holocaust and the use of the holocaust by the Jewish community to gain sympathy 60 years after the events.

And this is where problems start for those wrongly said to be in denial of the holocaust. The critics are not necessarily in denial as they feel they have the right to question history on the exactitude of events. However, the people who question the holocaust are denied their rights and freedom to do so in what seems to be a total embargo on any forms of criticism of the holocaust.

This limits the freedom of the people who lives in regimes and countries that claims high and loud to be the defenders of the freedoms and liberties of the people. There seem to be total freedom for these people to criticize others, criticize Islam in particular but they are NOT allowed to criticize the Jews, Judaism and the Holocaust and their freedoms – so cherished and adored like a goddess – suddenly finds its limitations: Holocaust is off limit!

The limitations of the people who are supposed to be free in their countries in the West – which includes America, the EU and Australasia – does not end with the strict limitations imposed on them with regards to the holocaust. They are also not able to criticize Israel and its continued use or abuse of the events 60 years ago to promote Judaism and Israel as a legal entity.

Besides the limitations imposed on them, the “free” thinkers of the western world faces jail term and even more if they persist in presenting to the world a different view of what the holocaust is all about. The political conspiracy of the West to protect the Jewish community and their use of the holocaust to protect themselves from their own crimes against the Palestinians is more than obvious.

Those who feel it right to question the very motives of the use of the holocaust to preserve Israel and protect it of all its crimes against humanity in Palestine and the occupied territories are condemned severely by the “freedom” lovers in America, Europe and Australia or New Zealand.

The so called freedom of speech in the west is supposed to allow people to think freely and to act freely too according to their beliefs but the big question is why can’t they protest or question the holocaust. They can however question the deaths of 2 million Iraqis (corrected from 12 millions which was a typing error) – killed by the US and the EU and the UN – thanks to their sanctions against the tiny Arab country.

They are however allowed to criticize Islam and the Muslims for whatever good or bad they represent and they are to get away if they call Muslim names or draw pictures, cartoons of Muslims and their Prophets and the companions of the Prophet. They are also given gold medals if necessary or big pay checques if they do write books against Muslims and against Islam.

Yet if they do the same against the Jews and the holocaust, they are jailed, they stripped of their honorability and they are banned from writing on the holocaust ever again if they do not want to lose even their nationality!

They become outcast and they are kicked out of their realm by a set of laws that exist within the EU and in the US if they write or criticize the holocaust. But they are protected by another set of laws that allows them to criticize Islam.

What is it with the holocaust that they cannot think against it or present a different view – which is the basis of freedoms – of the holocaust? There must be something secretive about it in order for the west, the champion of freedoms, to be afraid about that it imposes such tough fines and jail sentences against writers, thinkers and even artists who are against the ‘protective’ custody given to holocaust.

Whether the Jews and the West want to protect Israel because of the 6 million killed (that is what they say) during the said holocaust is another story but why do they not allow people to speak freely on what they think the holocaust means to them? Strange it is for the West to impose such black outs on a subject that was supposed to be an open book for anyone to review.

If the holocaust was supposed to be viewed without contest then it surely mean it did not happen the way it is declared it happened and that probably not as many Jews died out of holocaust and gas chambers as they claim had happened!

In the name of press freedom and freedom of speech and of anything else you may think of, the right must be given to everyone to decide if they believe or not in the holocaust!

Fredrick Tobin, who has been jailed on the charges of questioning the holocaust, has said that the holocaust is supported by three claims: the claim that Germany under Hitler’s control systematically killed Jews, the claim of gas chambers, and the claim that 6 million Jews were killed. He said that none of these are true.

According to his beliefs, Auschwitz was a transfer center where Jews were led out of Europe to establish themselves in Palestine. The Austrian born historian also said it would have taken a much longer time for the Germans to kill 6 million Jews in 4 years during WWII.

Regarding the claimed 6 million Jews killed at the time of World War II, he has said that this is a mythical number. He said one time Jewish historians claimed that four million were killed, then this number decreased by 1 to 1 and a half million. Now they announce that the number of Jews who were killed in the Second World War to be 500,000. But, they continue to propagate that 6 million were killed.

He was jailed for questioning the Holocaust and he insist that anyone who questions the holocaust will be jailed because there is something wrong with the holocaust. Hence we can conclude that there is a limitation in the freedom of the press and freedom of speech in the West and it its limitations starts with the holocaust!

Another professor Robert Faurisson, 76, who has two citizenships in England and in France, was a professor at Leon University in France. But, in 1989 France forced him to end his teaching career due to his beliefs about the holocaust and the genocide that happened to the Jews. He did not agree that Germans were killing Jews by millions and this landed him in big trouble.

2 thoughts on “Let us talk about the Holocaust

  1. My Holocaust Problems
    Sept. 25, 2007

    Ahmadinejad’s Holocaust Problems are My Holocaust Problems

    From Michael Santomauro
    http://www.TADP.org

    The Holocaust consists of three basic elements: (1) Approximately six million Jews were deliberately killed. (2) These killings were part of a state sponsored program on the part of the Third Reich whose ultimate goal was the total eradication of the Jewish people. (3) The bulk of these murders took place in special death camps where the principal mechanism of execution was the homicidal gas chamber that utilized Zyclon B, a commercial pesticide whose active ingredient was hydrogen cyanide.

    That the Third Reich possessed the technological and administrative means to carry out such a vast amount of killing there is little doubt. The Soviet Union with significantly inferior assets in these areas was able to kill far greater numbers of human beings. Furthermore, the armies of the Third Reich succeeded in killing at least ten million of its heavily armed military opponents in the course of World War II. Hence the killing of six million unarmed civilians should not have presented any unique problems to such an industrially advanced and bureaucratically efficient state as Nazi Germany, on the contrary, it would have been far easier.

    My doubts about the Holocaust are not centered on whether it could have happened but whether it did happen. In fact many of the doubts that I have are a direct consequence of the fact that I have no doubt that it actually could have happened…but certainly not in the ways that have been described thus far in the ”official” literature.

    It is part of the Western tradition in legal, scientific and intellectual matters that those asserting something have the burden of proof and that those who disagree are not required to provide evidence. This tradition however has been turned on its head regarding the Holocaust since the ”historical truth” of the Holocaust has been posited in advance. Furthermore, even to express doubts can result in criminal penalties in at least 11 so-called democratic countries and the ruining of lives and careers in numerous others.

    Listed below are some of the ”problems ” I have with the Holocaust. Should these be cleared up it would go a long way toward my accepting it …they are in no particular order.

    1) Why did Elie Wiesel and countless other Jews survive the Holocaust if it was the intention of the Third Reich to eliminate every Jew they got there hands on? Elie was a prisoner for several years; other Jews survived even longer. Most of these ”survivors” were ordinary people who did not have any unique expertise that the Germans could have exploited for their war effort. There was no logical reason for them to be kept alive. The very existence of more than a million survivors even today, some sixty years later, contradicts one of the basic components of the Holocaust i.e. that the Germans had a policy to eliminate every Jew they got their hands on.

    2) Why is their no mention of the Holocaust in Churchill’s six volume History of the Second World War or the wartime memoirs of either De Gaulle or Eisenhower or any of the other lesser luminaries who wrote about the Second World War. Keep in mind all these were written years after the war ended and thus after the Holocaust had been allegedly proven by the Nuremberg Trials? With regard to the Holocaust, the silence of these ” cognoscenti ” is deafening!

    3) What was an inmate infirmary (and a brothel) doing in Auschwitz if in fact it was a death camp?

    4) Why would the Germans round up Jews from their far flung empire, thereby tying up large numbers of personnel and rolling stock, while fighting a world war on two fronts to deliver people to ”death camps” hundreds of miles away who were then executed upon arrival…wouldn’t a bullet on the spot have appealed to legendary German sense of efficiency?

    5) Why after sixty years have historians been unable to come up with a single German document that points to a Holocaust? Should we believe the likes of Raul Hilberg that in the place of written orders there was an “incredible meeting of the minds” by the literally tens of thousands of people who would have had to coordinate their actions in order to carry out an undertaking of this magnitude.

    Prof. Hilberg’s exact quote:

    “But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They [these measures] were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus — mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.”

    Let us note again those final words: “an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus — mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.”

    6) How come it is still insisted upon that six million Jews were killed when the official Jewish death toll at Auschwitz, the flagship of the Holocaust gulag, has been reduced from an immediate post war figure of 3 million, to a figure of somewhat less than one million? Why do many respond to this observation by saying, ” what’s the difference whether it’s six million or one million”. The answer is that the difference is five million. Another difference is that saying so can get you three years in an Austrian jail…just ask British historian David Irving!

    7) All of Germany’s wartime codes were compromised including the one used to send daily reports from Auschwitz to Berlin. The transcripts of these messages make no mention of mass executions or even remotely suggest a genocidal program in progress. Furthermore it has been insisted that the Germans used a kind of
    euphemistic code when discussing their extermination program of the Jews e.g. final solution, special treatment, resettlement, etc. Why was it necessary for them to use such coded euphemisms when talking to one another unless they thought their codes had been cracked by the Allies?

    8) The water table at Auschwitz lies a mere 18 inches below the surface which makes claims of huge burning pits for the disposal of tens of thousands of victims untenable.

    9) Initially claims were made that mass executions in homicidal gas chambers had taken place in camps located within the boundaries of the old Reich e.g. Dachau, Bergen-Belsen. ”Evidence” to that effect was every bit as compelling as what was offered for other camps, located in occupied Poland, yet without explanation in the early sixties we were told that this was not the case and that all the ”death camps” were located in the East i.e. Poland outside (some would say conveniently) of the probing eyes of western scholars.

    10) No one has been able to reconcile the eyewitness accounts that personnel entered the gas chambers after twenty minutes without any protective gear and the fact that Zyclon B was a “time release” fumigant that would have had a lethal capability for at least another twenty-four hours. And that even after twenty-four hours the corpses would have themselves remained sufficiently contaminated by the hydrogen cyanide gas that they would have had the capacity to kill anyone who touched them who were not wearing protective gear.

    11) Why do we no longer hear claims that the Germans manufactured soap, lamp
    shades and riding britches from the bodies of dead Jews…could it be that in the light of modern forensics and DNA knowledge these claims are totally untenable?

    12) Why do we no longer hear claims that huge numbers of Jews were exterminated in massive steam chambers or electrocuted on special grids…”evidence” of this was presented at Nuremberg…evidence that sent men to the gallows.

    14) Elie Wiesel has been described as “the Apostle of Remembrance” yet in his memoir, ”Night” which deals with his stay at Auschwitz he makes no mention of the now infamous homicidal gas chambers. Isn’t this a bit like one of the Gospels making no mention of the Cross?

    15) Virtually every survivor who was examined at Auschwitz says that he or she was examined by the infamous Dr. Mengele.

    16) According to survivor testimony, hundreds of thousands of Jews were executed at Treblinka and then buried in mass graves in the surrounding area. Why is it that extensive sonar probing of these burial grounds reveals that this alleged final resting place for Holocaust victims has remained undisturbed since at least the last ice age?

    17) ”Proof” of the Holocaust rest primarily on survivor testimony; there’s little if any hard evidence. The best of this has been described by Jean Claude Pressac as merely ”criminal traces”. Even Judge Grey who presided at the Irving-Lipstadt Trial commented that he was surprised the evidence pointing to the Holocaust was ”extremely thin”. To paraphrase Prof. Arthur Butz of Northwestern University, ”a crime of this magnitude would have left a mountain of evidence”…where is it? There was more hard evidence against OJ Simpson at his trial and he was FOUND INNOCENT!

    18) Why has Holocaust Revisionism been criminalized in at least eleven countries…what other historic truth needs the threat of prison or the destruction of one’s career to maintain itself. Should someone be sent to prison for expressing skepticism about the official Chinese claim that they suffered thirty-five million dead in World War II.

    19) Why do the court historians insist that “denying the Holocaust” is like denying slavery or saying the earth is flat when it is nothing of the sort. The leading Revisionists are first rate scholars who hold advanced degrees from the world’s leading universities. Is there anyone comparable among those who say the world is flat or that slavery never existed?

    20) Promoters of the Holocaust have expressed concerns about the remembering the Holocaust once the last survivors die. Why haven’t Civil War historians expressed similar concerns since the last survivor of that conflict died in 1959?

    21) Survivors of the Holocaust have testified that smoke billowed from the crematoriums as they consumed the bodies of murdered victims…some eyewitnesses even claimed they could detect national origins by the color of the smoke. How can this be reconciled with the fact that properly operating crematoriums do not produce smoke of any color?

    22) According to the official version of the Holocaust hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were rounded up in mid 1944 and sent to Auschwitz where most were gassed immediately upon arrival and their bodies were disposed of by burning in huge open air pits using railroad ties and gasoline. Why is that there is no evidence of these huge funerary pyres in the high resolution surveillance photos taken by Allied aircraft who were over flying the camp on a daily basis during this time period. Furthermore, why have no remains been found, since open pit burning, even when gasoline is used, generates insufficient heat to totally consume a body?

    23) All of the liberated camps were littered with corpses; is there a single autopsy report or any other forensic evidence that shows that even a single one of these deaths was a consequence of poison gas?

    24) The death toll for the Holocaust relies exclusively on population statistics provided by Jewish sources; has any independent demographic study been produced that shows that approximately six million Jews were “missing” at the end of the war? ANSWER: Yes and No! WHY? You can go to jail in Israel and 11 European nations if you do such research and have a different answer. I am not kidding! Ask the Max Planck scientist Germar Rudolf. (Do Google search for imprisoned THOUGHT CRIMINAL Germar Rudolf).

    25) Why do the wartime inspection reports of camps made by the International Red Cross contain no references to mass executions…it strains credulity that such monumental crimes could be hidden. The only explanations are that either these crimes were not occurring or that the Red Cross was complicit in a cover up.

    26) Why has there been no effort to respond to the Leuchter Report?

    27) “The Holocaust was technologically possible because it happened “. Why is this intellectually bankrupt argument, which turns scholarship on its head, considered by the promoters of the Holocaust as historical truth, considered a sufficient response to the mounting Revisionist evidence to the contrary?

    Note for item 27: “34 reputable historians” in 1979 paid and published an advertisement in Le Monde one of the most monumental pieces of nonsense of French academic life:

    “It is not necessary to ask oneself how, technically, such a mass murder was possible. It was technically possible because it happened.”

    28) What other historical truths rely to the extent that the Holocaust does on so-called “eye witness” testimony…and why have none of these witnesses ever been cross examined?

    29) According to the official version of the Holocaust, the Jews remained ignorant of their fate until the very end so skillful were their Nazis murderers in deceiving their victims. How can this ignorance be reconciled with the fact that the Jews have historically been as a group, the most literate and highly informed people on the planet with legendary access to the highest echelons of government.

    Peace is patriotic.

    Michael Santomauro
    Editorial Director
    253 West 72nd street #1711
    New York, NY 10023

    http://www.tadp.org

    Call anytime: 212-787-7891

    What sort of Truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth?

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    “Many rabbis and professionals have told me recently that they fear for their jobs should they even begin to articulate their doubts about Israeli policy–much less give explicit support to calls for an end to the occupation.”

    — Rabbi Michael Lerner
    April 28, 2002 in the Los Angeles Times

  2. Listening to john stadtmiller, rita from texas, and mike pipper on republic broadcasting network and mike chambers on truth net radio, they constantly reply that the 6 million number came from the fact that the jew religious number is 6. That they take pride in this fake suffering to oppress all of humanity in their satanic dreams of taking over the world into one communist empire. They further believe that it was the zion jew that funded hitler and they are the ones who comitted the crimes against the jew.

    It is amazing how different stories are created to a point of confusion. On the one had RBN says it is the biggest hoax played on humanity and that the jew is the ones who murdered 500 million (70+ million actually murdered times 7 for the christian religious number) christians in russia under the lenin, trotsky, and stalin empires to the 1.5 million armenians who were butchered in armenia that some foxman of adl is a holacoust denier about. In particular, a tex marrs of the power of prophicy says that the jew cut the hands off of these armenians and if you lined them end to end, they would streatch 20 miles on an expressway.

    So what is the answer? without discussion there is no answer. I do not know the particulars but do know that my grandfather was in one of those concentration camps as a polish underground fighter and roman catholic. His eye witness testimony was completely different but I do not hear about any thanks for those who by their own hands freed a thousand jew. They are criticized and punished because they were not jew.

    so go figure

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